A lot of holocaust deniers like to say Hitler did nothing wrong and he was only protecting Germany and the European continent. Despite evidence of the holocaust occurring, why do they deny that it happened?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
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9/11 is history too, and as you might know, history is written by the victors. Pointing out that those victors lied about 9/11 is something they couldn't do about the holohoax. We can agree to disagree, but no claim should go dismissed without first examining the evidence, have you done so? Have you you looked at it with a critical eye?
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i would not say Hitler was the cause of WW ll. Unlike after WW ll, WW l Germany was left to rebuild it self and was in a bad place to be in. Many people warn a war might start again. It is likely the war would have happened even without Hitler.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-were-the-main-causes-of-world-war-ii.html
Lets not forget Hitler was a dictator. To quote CGP "Take the throne to act and the throne acts upon you".
Also I think Hitler was a very bad person.
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Oh, you watch CGP Grey too. I know WW1 Germany was left in rubbish and then got it even more. However, Britain and France told Germany not invade Poland but he did it anyway. A war could have been prevented but the majority of the war was because of Germany. Some blame to the WW1 allies.
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1) who is Adolf Hitler?
2) what do you mean by "innocent"?
3) what is Adolf Hitler innocent of?
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1) Adolf Hitler is a German politician of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (DSDAP) Nazi party
2) in order for an individual to be declared innocent, he/she must be free from wrong
3) Adolf Hitler is responsible for many things (not limited to the list below):
- a failed attempt at overthrowing the regional government of Munich in a coup in 1923
- publishing his autobiography: Mein Kampf in 1925
- assuming the position of German chancellor in 1933
- assuming the position of German fuhrer in 1934
- defying the 1919 Treaty of Versailles
- defying the 1939 Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact
- defying the 1899 Hague Declaration and 1907 Hague Convention on Land Warfare (both regarding the use of poisoned weapons)
- defying the 1839 Treaty of London
- invading Austria, Belgium, Czechoslovakian provinces, Poland, Denmark, Norway, North Africa, Yugoslavia, Greece etc.
- allowing his troops to collectively punish civilians and loot civilian property
- orchestrating The Holocaust/Shoah between 1941 to 1945
- orchestrating Tiergartenstraße 4 (involuntary euthanasia of more than 70,000 people, majority of which had mental or physical impairments)
- allowing concentration camps to operate overcrowded and rampant with starvation and disease (typhoid, dysentery etc.)
- allowing the deployment of Zyklon B for the gassing of civilian women and children
If your question means to ask if Adolf Hitler was innocent of the invasion of foreign territory, defying of peace treaties and genocide, then the answer would be that he wasn't innocent.
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it is completely illogical. If Hitler wanted to exterminate the Jews, he would have done it the same way that Russian Jews had been doing it to millions (20-80 million, depending on who you ask) of white Christians for the past 30 years at the time. A cheap bullet to the base of the skull, wherever they were found.
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Trying to frame this as Hitler helping or being nice to the Jews is sickening and you are an idiot. Stick to topics like there flat earth where when you make these kind of claims we can just laugh at you in peace because your insane beliefs don't effect anyone but you.
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Given, however, how much influence over the population Hitler had (and that influence, in turn, has been properly and extensively documented), it does not seem plausible that he would be merely a condemned passive observer of the crimes he did not approve of. Especially since not only did he not publicly condemn or deny those crimes, but he even made regular victorious speeches about Germany evolving in the right direction. So, as much as this argument is curious, I do not think it is very self-consistent.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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I agree with you buddy, what if? I mean after what we've learned just in the past 3-4 years is enough for anyone to question any part of history going back to Christ's ascension, or the past 2,000 years.
So how about we step back a little and try to get a wider perspective, please look at the following two videos,
Noticed the Jewish (so called) Star of David (more like a pentagram) and the Nazi swastika used in conjunction!? Now for the sake of argument let's look at this next video:
And look at the above video through the glasses of this next video:
What I see after looking at these videos, along with what I seen and heard throughout my life growing up a Hungarian, in former Yugoslavia with Serbians, Croatians, Germans living right on the former Austro-Hungarian border is that it's not about whether Hitler was innocent or not, but what really happened?
IMHO, as I said from what I heard from friends and family who were from both sides of the War, is that this war opened up long suppressed hatred passed down through the generations, and all sides used this War to take vengeance on each other.
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Amos 5:
25 “Did you offer Me sacrifices and offerings
In the wilderness forty years, O house of Israel?
26 You also carried Sikkuth your king
And Chiun, your idols,
The star of your gods,
Which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into captivity beyond Damascus,”
Says the Lord, whose name is the God of hosts.
In mythology, It was the weapon of Zeus.
Worn to have power over others.
Also was worn by the feared SS of Nazi Germany.
What was the relation of the two? Who really orchestrated this Jewish Holocaust of WWII that included 64 million dead of all nations and just about leveled Germany and England!?
I believe WWII was a One World sacrifice of 70 million people to the god of this world. And that was just the beginning, the godless Religion called Communism came next;
Although any attempt to estimate a total number of victims of communism depends greatly on definition,[36] several attempt to compile on previously published data have been made.
And that too was just the beginning of sorrows, .. only birth pangs really, one bullet at a time. But man is ready to give birth to the ultimate sacrifice, here is one example:
Time is short, got to hurry and give the master of this world not just millions at a time, but billions of men, women and children in sacrifice, cause he, and his minions know their time is at hand! And to achieve this, takes thousands, even tens of thousands of Hitler's. And I've seen some of them, they kill with a smile.
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Well, we have Stalin to thank for ending WW2 in the first place, and thereby saving millions of lives. Without Stalin, Hitler would have most probably won the war. And Churchill also contributed to defeating the Germans. While I am not saying they were innocent, they at least did some right (unlike Hitler).
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Pretty much every leader in the history of Earth did "some right". In case of leaders such as Hitler, Stalin or Mao, this "some right" is simply too small to reasonably compare to the amount of wrong they have done. However, let us be fair in our judgment: Hitler was not a pure evil in the flesh, he was just a deranged talented ruler who had some good points, but overall delivered hell on Earth.
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It is a common saying among historians that, should Hitler have retired in 1938, he would be nowadays regarded as one of the greatest statesmen in the human history. While I do not think it correct (after all, all the nationalistic speeches and the events leading to the Holocaust had already occurred by that point), there is no denying that Germany would not have turned from "European Zimbabwe" into one of the leading nations on Earth in 5 years without Hitler.
Given how little regard he had to human rights (to put it lightly), and that in the end his "good leadership" ended with Germany in ruins and half of it in the hands of communists, however - I am inclined to see him in a very negative light. "Good leaders" do not turn their countries into graveyards.
If Hitler did everything the way he did, but without the nationalist and imperialist component of it all - then I would agree with your judgment. Otherwise, no. Hitler was no German Lee Quan Yew, despite some parallels.
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When @Erfisflat thinks he couldn't dig a hole any deeper, but manages to do just that like the fool he is
Blues and Raptors handed two very toxic teams embarrassing losses, 95% of the sports world is rejoicing in the news
Repealing the Second Amendment is the first step to Totalitarianism, and it needs to be prevented to protect our freedom
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/
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Not gonna lie, I'm a little bewildered at how some people on this thread, even people I consider to be intellectually sound, could have come to the reasoning that before 1938, hitler was a good leader!?! Every Jew in Germany was stripped of their citizenship, their assets, their money, and all their belongings. All of that stuff was then turned over to the most supportive nazi population. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if someone enslaves huge portions of the population and steals everything they own, and hands that all over to the rest of society, isn't that just theft? I don't think we can really rack that up in the "win" column for hitler. What would have happened if hitlers quarry of free labor ran out? Every non-Jewish business owner was forced to support and help fund the war effort. Now, I'm no economist, but forcing businesses to support your agenda doesn't really come off as genius politics, it's sounds more like forceful politics. I don't consider that a success story for anyone involved!
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"Americanism not Globalism, will be our credo." ~Donald Trump
"A communist is like a crocodile" ~Winston Churchill
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Hitler called the Jews rats, look what Dawkins calls all humans:
Today the Germans rule US and the world, but who is leading them? It's not a Hitler because we don't see them worship a human-ruler like we seen before!?
what we see is this:
funded by this:
and worshipped at this temple:
and here is just some of their worship ceremonies:
People, this time Satan has risen an army NOT for some human king or ruler, not for a Nation, but for human domination by extinction, and the whole world is in on it, driven like madmen to goals they can never attain, places they can never reach like Mars for instance, promises Satan can never fulfill, nor would he want to;
Wake Up!
Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
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@Erfisflat made a point regarding the 6,000,000 Jews how this same number was used by Jewish controlled media many years before the Holocaust, shouldn't we consider what he has to say, especially if he provided evidence regarding this same number?
Now I do agree that to deny that millions of Jews were specifically targeted based on that info is wrong, but so is marking a post a 'fallacy' because I mentioned God, .. which was to point out a much "Bigger Picture" behind the Holocaust. I am amazed at those who would defend the Jewish Holocaust, but deny the existence of God, .. actually I am dumbfounded by it!?
I pointed out some obvious facts regarding the O.P. where the finger is being pointed at one single man, specifically Hitler as if he was some evil god who single handedly orchestrated the Jewish Holocaust, when in fact anyone from the entire German population, from millions of Hungarians, Croats, and yes Poles, Russians, Americans and most of the Arab population would have gladly take his place. I made my opinion based on evidence that there is a much bigger picture that we should look at before we just point a finger at one puny man whose fragile body could end with something as simple as a slip and fall.
Seriously, how can anyone deny that we are all being pulled down a rabbit hole into the depths of hell where we have allowed powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world, where spiritual wickedness in high places take full control of our destiny? I mean what, .. you think it was the tectonic plate movements and Hitler's diet that orchestrated this whole war, and the wars before that? Or maybe your planetary alignments that influenced all this, and since you believe that the environment is the cause of our existence, then such influences like star alignments, full moon and so on must be in control??
Thanx.
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Hitler was very talented and effective at how he approached the state management in general - however, the direction of his approach was the issue. It is a bit like the case of Che Guevara: incredibly talented revolutionary and impeccable leader, tangled up with the wrong cause and a malicious ideology. Take Hitler's talents and passion and apply them to a great cause - and you get easily a worthy statesman that can take the most beaten up country and raise it from the dead... However, a cause one pursues does constitute an essential part of their profile, and it is unreasonable to take the instituted totalitarian system in Germany, the Holocaust, the world conquest and the related ambitions, and the ultimate failure of his actions, out of the picture and only evaluate him based on a short-term economical success.
Your narrative of "It would all have happened anyway, with anyone in power", is truly bizarre. Was there anti-semitism in Germany before Hitler? Of course, it was one of the main reasons his support was so strong in the first place. Was there an organized ethnic cleansing, however? No. Would it have happened in any case? I fail to see a single reason for that. No, for it to happen, a very specific type of leader had to take charge.
I believe Nazi Germany was a far better state than, say, Stalin's Soviet Union, or Hirohito's Japanese Empire. It, however, was still a harsh totalitarian state where any dissent was addressed quickly and with force. Where children at schools were brainwashed with pseudo-sciences in order to support the dominating ideology. Where soldiers were sent to their deaths just because the fuhrer wanted a bigger chunk of the map to be painted in German color. Where multiple ethnicities were systematically oppressed.
I suppose one could argue that Hitler's achievements overshadowed his failures, based on the individual preferences... But denying the existence of those failures in the first place does not seem fair.
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Another thing your trying to do is convince the good people of DI that the holocaust was inevitable. The nazis tried various different methods of killing on the mentally and physically disabled. Genocide with surgical like precision, and on such a large scale, was only able to be implemented by a government that was willing to experiment with effective and efficient murder. The government that did that was the nazi government, and the leader of that government was adolf hitler. I'm unconvinced that you can convince the people of DI that the holocaust was inevitable, they know better than that.
Lets not forget that Germany was still in debt to the allies for WWI. As far as letting a country who was delinquent on their debt, just march into other countries that didn't belong to them, shame on the rest of the world for not acting sooner, especially the US, to which they owed the largest debt. As soon as the nazis tried to get out of paying those debts, they should have been systematically destroyed. Trying to claim that hitler was some kind of diplomatic wizard is laughable. It wasn't hitlers genius, it was the allies stupidity. hitler himself stated in his own diary that if the allies had confronted Germany as they annexed the other German speaking countries, Germany would not have been able to successfully counter attack. Russia had a mutual interest in negotiating a treaty with Germany. They knew the Germans would eventually attack them, but the treaty with Germany bought Russia some time to rebuild their military. Again, not genius diplomacy on the part of hitler, more like disparity on the part of the Russians.
Thank you for your opinion on whether you would have appreciated a death camp over fighting on the eastern front. We're all absolutely sure that you thought that opinion all the way through, and we greatly appreciate your incite on the matter!?!? I bet it wouldn't have been all that bad in Bergen Belsen, or Dachau. You could have had a nice dip in the pool just after your game of tennis with the comandante. Or you could let your opinion be addressed by reality. Sensible people who use reality based opinions, would not want to be in either situation, but if we were forced to choose, I'm pretty sure we would choose the likelihood of death on the eastern front, as opposed to the certainty of death at a death camp! I'm not sure that you understand that these camps were set up only to house the prisoners until they were able to be processed for extermination. Oh, and the time they had while waiting for death was absolute hell, because they were literally forced to work until they died! And many of their jobs was working on the process of killing the other prisoners. They were herding people into the gas chambers and removing the bodies from there and stripping their teeth of fillings and bringing them to the incinerators or pits to burn the bodies. I'd say it would be sad if you had to do this to people you knew, but who knows if they would have recognized the people they knew? And that's just it, unless you "@MarcusTulliusCicero, fought in the Soviet Union, or did a stint in Auschwitz, you wouldn't be able to have a valid opinion on which way you would prefer to die.
By the way, control of American companies was not seized by the government for the purpose of war, like what happened in Germany. Civilized countries don't do such things. The American government sold bonds to the American industries to fund the war. In 1937, unemployment in the US was somwhere around 25%. The prospect of getting people working, even if it was for a war, was very welcome for American businesses.
Are you expecting us to believe that it was all smooth sailing for the Jews of Europe until 1939? Do you deny that the Jews and people of nonGerman blood were stripped of their citizenship because of the Nuremberg laws? Do you deny their houses and businesses weren't stolen from them and given to "pure" German people? I wouldn't be surprised if David Irving were to commend you on your ambition. Do you prefer the term "revisionist" or nazi apologist, or holocaust denier to describe yourself?
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The reason that number has been used consistently is because of documented fact. If you have anything other than empirical evidence that's capable of convincing us that 6,000,000 Jews didn't die in the holocaust, then please, let us see. If not, perhaps you should just get back to your coloring book and leave the debating up to the big boys and girls. K
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